Showing posts with label sungenis. Show all posts
Showing posts with label sungenis. Show all posts

Sunday, January 12, 2014

More reaction to the principle... oh this is just getting to be so wreckless

ok so really?  This is only getting worse:

Trapping and Exposing Lies and Falsehoods
January 8, 2014 By  23 CommentsFresh from denouncing the errors and gutless cowardice of such menaces as Fr. Father Robert Barron and such dangerous men as Karl Keating, Jimmy Akin, Al Kresta and similar wolves in sheep’s clothing serving the Church of Nice, Church Militant TV now leads its flock of highly discerning disciples in the unerring direction of TRVTH by promoting the rock solid science of geocentrism.  What could possibly be smarter and more deeply Catholic than helping raise the stock of people who have endorsed the unimpeachable fact that the Moon Landings were a hoax, that Roosevelt was a Jew, that Jews probably killed JFK, that “The infection of Judaism and Zionism has become the number one enemy for us”, that Jews are “slave masters”, that “it is becoming increasingly difficult to believe that six million Jews were killed in Nazi internment camps.”, that we should “stop blaming it on the nation who excised [the Jews] and start looking at what the Jewish people do to get themselves excised.” and that the Holocaust was that sad period in history when “the Jews turned on the Germans because they got a better deal from someone else.”  Clearly, I think all Real Catholics[TM] will do well to realize that this track record of sound Catholic teaching is so good that an apostolate whose entire mission is to “trap and expose” “lies and falsehoods” covers itself in glory by promoting such people and their work on geocentrism.  If there is anything that no well-formed Catholic can deny, it is that the  entire universe spins around a non-rotational earth every 24 hours and that Science is a gigantic conspiracy to deny that doctrine of the Faith.  Fans of Church Militant TV should wisely continue to say that any criticism of this latest decision to promote such people and their work is entirely due to the fact that CMTV alone–in the entire Church–is unafraid to tell it like it is and the Church of Nice is frightened and trying to shut up the boldest Truthtellers of our time.  Anybody suggesting that this is an epic demonstration of the corrosive effects that indulgence of pride and anger have on common sense only does so because they are jealous of the undeniable truth and beauty of everything CMTV does, due to the fact that they are members of the Church of Nice who hate God, babies, and adorable puppies. And they are also probably Jews.
Keep it classy Mark, and thanks for not engaging in any ad hominems...

oh and just for kicks Mr. Kevin O'Brian of play fame wanted to add a couple things:

  • Of course we will have commenters claiming that there is a distinction between Galileo, Copernicus and Brahe that morons like us can't appreciate, that the geocentrists are not as crazy as the evil "professional Catholic" Mark Shea makes them sound, that in fact it's quite reasonable to consider that the Jews are behind the problems of our society and that those who close their eyes to the latest lights of the conservative mind - new insights such as the demonstrably false claims of ancient science and the 4,000 year old thing called antisemitism - that those who close their eyes to these wonderful insights are the real bigots.
    But the fact is that Voris has been fueling the fires of schism, fanning the flames of the irrational, and feeding the furnace of wrath for years now. His engine keeps chugging along, but the track leads nowhere.
      Stay classy Kevin


      With minds trapped in this polar "vortex" (bad puns work at times you know) who needs enemies?  I never understood why they just cant exist side by side... pride on both ends with ad hominems' to boot?



      +Seat of Wisdom, Pray for Us!+

      +Patron of clowns, Saint Genesius of Rome, Pray for Us!+

      Saturday, January 11, 2014

      Pathetic Scandal...

      Ok, so hold up for a second...

      The documentary/movie "The Principle" will be released this year and Michael Voris of CMTV had the directors including one Mr./Dr. Robert Sungenis on his program to discuss the film and what they hoped for the project.

      To be honest I thought the interview was boring, yet I am looking forward to the movie.

      But the real story is how after the airing of the Mic'd Up the other night some in the Catholic blogosphere took it upon themselves to publicly proclaim the director (one Mr. Sungenis) the worst thing since unsliced bread.

      You can go to Keatings facebook but I wont provide a link because the way everyone including the normalists (Keating, Shea and Armstrong) act is irrational and purely misguided causing scandal which they pretend to care about avoiding which you can see in my posts about Shea and Armstrong before.

      I think its fair to say that Dr. Sungenis takes some odd positions on cosmology, the Jews [whether what he says is odd or bad or just not something people don't want to talk about in pious company is another thing] and the post concilliar pontiffs.  However the way that the normalists try to bash the documentary is pure iconaclism.  They have a box wrapped up nicely in their minds on such topics and are unwilling to part with them, nor will they hear the other side on the topics.  The same probably applies to Mr. Sungenis.  Why the normalists must destroy the movie by bringing up Bob's views on the holocaust is beyond me.  Credibility in the science realm can have many layers.

      We know the universe is not heliocentric by its nature (proving Galileo wrong to begin with), the question becomes is it Geocentric or relative per the therm of relativity.  What good does it do to end the conversation by saying Bob thinks the number of Jew's killed during the haulocaust is less then six million?  What difference did it make the Williamson thought we didnt go to the moon or whether again six million Jews were killed during the holocaust in regards the regularization of the SSPX?  When did talk of such things become anathama and against the faith casting one outside the faith?  We wont be codemned for having odd thoughts on the holocaust, its just a mere fancy some use to cause division where the division is not needed from either side.

      None.

      Whether the universe holds the Earth in a special place or in an indifferent place is important (perhaps not essential)

      The Principle is putting forth info that no one outside the top level cosmologists know about because like the normalists most scientists have placed the study of cosmology in a neat box and put it on the shelf with a dont touch at any cost label.

      Will the movie talk about theories that might put forth the possibility of Geocentrism, sure but that is not the purpose of the movie so much as looking specifically at the coprenican principle and seeing if its still relevent and holds true with the info we now have

      Let the chips fall where they may normalists and trads alike.   PLEASE!

      SO you know what im talking about here is the trailer... im going to watch it because it doesnt scare me to hear that Copernicus was wrong with his Theories and I dont subcribe to the Fr. Spitzer S.J. worldview where you can flip flop on issues at leisure (oh boy i just did the same thing the nominalists did)

      +JMJ+


      Sunday, June 23, 2013

      On St. Alphonsus Parish, Padre Pio and Geo-Centrism

      I forgot to say something a while back but the Parish that I grew up at St. Alphonsus in Greendale is celebrating its 75th anniversary this year and I wish to congratulate the Parish and offer many prayers for their continued growth in the faith and particularly for the Priests there including Fr. Alan who though I am frustrated by often I thank him for his priesthood.  I also want to remember the other Priest's that were there while I was a parishioner:

      Fr. Richard (Dick) Aiken (Of Call to Action fame)
      Fr. Jerry Herda (Current Brewers Chaplain and assistant to then Archbishop Dolan)
      Fr. Mike (? I cant remember the last name, I just remember he was nice)
      Fr. Aurillio (Dont remember the first name, perhaps thats good?)
      Fr. Wally Vogel (Friendly and also giddy to finish Mass quick)
      Fr. Dave M. (I miss his homilies and miss him, RIP Father)
      Fr. Alan Jurkas
      Fr. Mark
      Fr. Aaron (I went to the Easter mass there and was surprised by his reverence for the Mass)  :)

      ...

      On another subject is it just me or when one things of Padre Pio do you call him St. Pio, cause I just usually call him Padre, kind of like the Cure of Ars...just a quick thought

      ...

      Finally I was working outside today and had my IPod because I dont want a phone that will give info at any time to the NSA, and I was listening to a debate on Helio and Geocentrism, I was surpised to find that there are some good arguements on both sides, take a listen if you would like:

      http://www.aotmclub.com/index.asp?PageID=9&EID=24

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      Some additional information to consider with the debate: http://www.evolutionpages.com/pink_unicorn.htm
      h/t Terrence Berres



      +JMJ+

      Friday, April 19, 2013

      The New Evangelization in the Eyes of Catholic groups



      I remember watching a Simpson’s episode as a child where Ralph Wiggum receives his report card from the teacher and it reads that he failed English, and Ralphie says “Me fail English that’s unpossible”.  Needless to say after the last couple of days I have been engaged in different thoughts especially after the terrible and despicable bombings occurred.  I find myself going back to current as well as old issues in the church.  Last night I was reading some different blogs and I was honestly frustrated with the way some people are running with this concept of the “New Evangelization”.  Specifically speaking Catholics in the US have different ideas.  There are at least 3 groups of Catholics out there, perhaps 4 but the forth one which I would consider myself part of is like skateboarding on floss so it seems like madness. So how do these four groups go about promoting or destroying JPII’s so called new evangelization?

      First is the Progressive delegation of the Church.  There are many figureheads of this wing, to name a few
      there are the nuns on the bus led by Sr. [?] Campell from the liberal political lobbying group Network, the LCWR leadership, Fr. James Martin the progressive Jesuit and thousands of priests near you.  Such people will often reference the spirit of Vatican II when confronted for their dissidency, and do their best to poo-poo the magisterium when things don’t go their way.  I find that their idea of the New Evangelization consists of tearing down anything traditionally Catholic is favor of any form of ecumenism.  Such people claim that if the Church is to ever be relevant we must have women priests, allow the adulterous to receive Holy Communion, give full acceptance to same sex attracted individuals in all their actions, demand that the government be our caretakers for life and create a decentralized leadership more open to apostolic collegiality.  If we do this, they say, people will come to love us and want to be Catholic because we are thus open to all truly; finally we would be an actual Catholic Church.

      The second group is generally referred to as the conservative Catholics, some also refer to them as Neo-Cons in the church.  You might be familiar with the term RINO after the last few elections me

      aning that they are Republican in name only.  The latter is not a perfect analogy, but for this I think it serves a purpose.  This groups figureheads include the likes of George Weigle, the late Fr. Richard Nuehouse, many EWTN personalities, many bishops since the JPII era like Archbishop Dolan, Chaput, Wuerl and so forth.  This group of people is not to be seen as against the faith like the progressives, but they should concern us because all too often they don’t actively engage problems with the necessary zeal.  They are also concerning because they delve into a strict heresy from time to time called Americanism.  They will often be on the front lines defending what they call “Americas First and greatest Freedom”, that is the freedom of religion. It seems to be that this group sees the new evangelization as the new spring time for the church were we show love and mercy, only compromising certain disciplines to create an easier to stomach face of the Church, a Catholic-protestant wing persay, that many not be specifically heretical but dance on the edge of indifference and modernism specifically.  It is my opinion that this is the most troubling of the groups because the progressives don’t hide their agenda anymore because they have become prideful.  These Neo-cons are like Wolves in sheeps clothing, whether knowingly or not they are a greater danger than the progressives because they keep alive the Jansinist heresy in different shapes.

      The third group is generally referred to as the Tradtionalists with a capital T.  Such people are not
      SedeVacantists nor SSPX for both of those groups are either not Catholic or they are canonically irregular.  These people do find themselves on the edge of this abyss however and include the likes of Robert Sungenis, Fr. Michael Rodriguez and others.  To be sure, and I want to make this clear, these people are not as bad as either the progessives or the Neo Cons, but they tend to take things a step too far and try to read all intentions as being wrong in themselves.  It is the traditionalist view that the New Evangelization is nothing more than a sticker campaign to distract people from all the problems the church faces. 

      The last group which I generally find myself in is the traditionally oriented Catholics.   Such other people
      would include Fr. Z, Michael Voris, Louie Verrecchio, Patrick Madrid, Pat Arnold, and so forth.  We tend to love all of the Catholic faith and really wish to promote more traditional practices within the churches life.  We are also very focused on routing out heresy within the church, but are conscience to the problems of overt traditionalism like the near denial of VII or overstating the role of disaplines without the context.  John Zimack who is a fantastic writer for the National Catholic Register and an author of a number of great books was on churchmilitants Mic’d Up show a while back and kind of attacked the “New Evangelization” as something without a a basic underpinning.  It does seem like a bumper sticker campaign as well to us, but we do want to get out and build the church.  Our concern is not the numbers like the neo-cons and progressives but the quality of the conversion to Christ.  We are focused on teaching the whole faith, unfiltered truth of the faith and demanding a full commitment to Holy Mother Church.  Perhaps the greatest way to look at our position is what Fulton Sheen would say, “The Catholic faith is like a Lion, just uncage it and it will do the rest”. 

      So what is the New Evangelization, and how should we go about it?  The NE is just the attempt to rechristianize the West after Protestantism has realized its ultimate end.  We should not expect that the new evangelization will yield grand fruit in terms of the amount of people its draws in, but we should expect that those drawn in by the no holds barred traditional approach will be of high quality.  IT reminds me of the early church, there was only 12, but from those zealous 12 Christendom was born. 
















      +JMJ+