So they posted this a while back, but for those of you that did not know The Argument of the Month Club in Minnesot-der-hey thankfully got around to posting the videos for the Shea v. Voris and Shea v. Ferrara debates.
I actually did think Mark did well in both debates even though I disagree with him at times.
I will post the link below because I want them to get a boost. PLEASE, PULEEZE donate to this great apostolate! Even if it a dollar it is appreciated I am sure.
Just when you thought the Tolkien controversy was the greatest side stepping of real issues affecting the church today I give you this:
So on Saturday I came home from work and saw a story on the side bar of the blaze that made me laugh, then shake my head: Catholics Divided on Libertarianism as ‘Heresy’. Ok so there is utter maddness about with the travels about of Cardinal Kasper, the generation from 18-23 year old actual Catholics being non existent, continued irreverence at least passively if not actively endorsed by Archbishop Gomez (at LA's education conference) or Pope Francis with Jesus Christ in plastic cups at world youth day. There are so many things that are so much more important to this than trying to define libertarianism, which libertarians disagree with each other about to begin with, as heresy.
First if it is heresy then you have heretics not just identifying as progressives or consevatives, but actually quite a few traditionalists who are not prone to think only of post conciliar decrees as important would identify politically as libertarians. People like Tom Woods (of How the catholic church built western civilization" book fame) and Judge Andrew Napolitano (who appears as a legal expert on many shows and makes it clear he is a pre-vatican II Catholic, which is confusing but he is not SSPX but probably more along the lines of FSSP).
If you read the Blaze article it brings up three articles written very recently by Michael Winters of NCReporter (aka fishwrap, aka that paper that John Allen wrote for knowing that the paper was heretical yet people treat him to this day like he is a good source, when he really knew he was feeding error, oh he even was endorsed by my Bishop to give a speech, oh Milwaukee you are useless). The other is by Mark Shea (the ubber reactionary of neo-cons, Mark lets be real you are reading this) which is the article that outright condemns libertarianism as a heresy. The final article I will post on this is one by Joe Hargrave entitled Mark Shea's Economic inquisiton (Which Mark Shea has been whining about ever since because hes being picked on... put on your big boy pants Mark. Consider asking Jimmy Akin to write a piece entitled "9 things to know and share about how writing posts that counter Mark Shea posts is dastardly")
I take no position on the matter of libertarianism probably because I'm a distributist and of the monarchial view on government. By the way does anyone else find it odd that Mark Shea who writes for Heresy central (AKA Patheos, think about it, its pure indifferentism) is calling others out for being heretics.
Also I have put two videos below with differing view points on the matter for those interested in seeing the two views.
The first is by a seminarian in Canada who always puts about great YouTube videos. His view is that libertarianism is not enough.
The second is by Tom Woods from his recent show where he tries to show how it is compatible with Christianity
I do think that we can agree that atheistic libertarianism espoused by the likes of Ayn Rand is devoid of compatibility. There was an interesting article on how the satanist Anton LaVey was greatly encouraged by Rand's works and recommends her stuff for what its worth on the Acton blog.
Trapping and Exposing Lies and Falsehoods January 8, 2014 By Mark Shea23 CommentsFresh from denouncing the errors and gutless cowardice of such menaces as Fr. Father Robert Barron and such dangerous men as Karl Keating, Jimmy Akin, Al Kresta and similar wolves in sheep’s clothing serving the Church of Nice, Church Militant TV now leads its flock of highly discerning disciples in the unerring direction of TRVTH by promoting the rock solid science of geocentrism. What could possibly be smarter and more deeply Catholic than helping raise the stock of people who have endorsed the unimpeachable fact that the Moon Landings were a hoax, that Roosevelt was a Jew, that Jews probably killed JFK, that “The infection of Judaism and Zionism has become the number one enemy for us”, that Jews are “slave masters”, that “it is becoming increasingly difficult to believe that six million Jews were killed in Nazi internment camps.”, that we should “stop blaming it on the nation who excised [the Jews] and start looking at what the Jewish people do to get themselves excised.” and that the Holocaust was that sad period in history when “the Jews turned on the Germans because they got a better deal from someone else.” Clearly, I think all Real Catholics[TM] will do well to realize that this track record of sound Catholic teaching is so good that an apostolate whose entire mission is to “trap and expose” “lies and falsehoods” covers itself in glory by promoting such people and their work on geocentrism. If there is anything that no well-formed Catholic can deny, it is that the entire universe spins around a non-rotational earth every 24 hours and that Science is a gigantic conspiracy to deny that doctrine of the Faith. Fans of Church Militant TV should wisely continue to say that any criticism of this latest decision to promote such people and their work is entirely due to the fact that CMTV alone–in the entire Church–is unafraid to tell it like it is and the Church of Nice is frightened and trying to shut up the boldest Truthtellers of our time. Anybody suggesting that this is an epic demonstration of the corrosive effects that indulgence of pride and anger have on common sense only does so because they are jealous of the undeniable truth and beauty of everything CMTV does, due to the fact that they are members of the Church of Nice who hate God, babies, and adorable puppies. And they are also probably Jews.
Keep it classy Mark, and thanks for not engaging in any ad hominems...
oh and just for kicks Mr. Kevin O'Brian of play fame wanted to add a couple things:
Of course we will have commenters claiming that there is a distinction between Galileo, Copernicus and Brahe that morons like us can't appreciate, that the geocentrists are not as crazy as the evil "professional Catholic" Mark Shea makes them sound, that in fact it's quite reasonable to consider that the Jews are behind the problems of our society and that those who close their eyes to the latest lights of the conservative mind - new insights such as the demonstrably false claims of ancient science and the 4,000 year old thing called antisemitism - that those who close their eyes to these wonderful insights are the real bigots.
But the fact is that Voris has been fueling the fires of schism, fanning the flames of the irrational, and feeding the furnace of wrath for years now. His engine keeps chugging along, but the track leads nowhere.
Stay classy Kevin
With minds trapped in this polar "vortex" (bad puns work at times you know) who needs enemies? I never understood why they just cant exist side by side... pride on both ends with ad hominems' to boot?
+Seat of Wisdom, Pray for Us!+
+Patron of clowns, Saint Genesius of Rome, Pray for Us!+
