(edit) Before you read this ask yourself if you are able to
see a persons personality and their proposed theories as mutually exclusive.
Will you allow the chips to fall where they may? Or are you unable
to allow discussion on things that are not confirmed but remain theories.
Let the chips fall where they may on Geocentrism, read Palm, read
Sungenis, let the evidence speak either way... be joyful of HIS amazing
creation!!!
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I saw this by Mark Shea's house. Its Karl Keating's repose to last nights
"Mic'd Up" episode related to all the hoopla surrounding the upcoming
documentary "The Principle". There are so many problems with
the attack on the show and on the people involved... I just had to take a
charitable shot at clearing things up:
My comments in RED
Karl Keating Does all the Heavy Lifting So I
Don’t Have To
Does it not even bother Mr. Shea for a second that
when mocking people that are putting together something they think is important
and worthy of propagation that he not exaggerate what they claim. In
other words, Mark, they didn’t claim it was God’s work to make this, but a
worthy pursuit. Mockery is not from above. Charity Mr. Shea on
things not of the faith?
MUCH ADO
ABOUT NOT MUCH
For the
second time, Bob Sungenis and Rick DeLano appeared on Michael Voris’s “Mic’d
Up” program to talk about their film “The Principle.”
DeLano, at
his blog, had done his best to hype this evening’s show, but in …his promo he
pretty much said what ended up being said on “Mic’d Up”: that the film’s
producers had in their possession signed releases from
those whose interviews are in the film and that the film has been taken on by a
distributor.
I
don’t remember anyone claiming that those interviewed, such as Lawrence Krauss
and Michio Kaku, hadn’t signed releases, so that always was a non-issue. Krauss
claimed a lack of memory of having been filmed, but a clip shown by DeLano on
“Mic’d Up” made it clear that Krauss was aware that he was on camera.
What wasn’t
made clear tonight–and apparently it wasn’t made clear to Krauss or Kaku prior
to the interviews–was the undergirding argument of “The Principle,” that
geocentrism is true.
Perhaps Mr. Keating missed the whole part of the
release that stated that the documentary would be used as part of film that
would explore controversial aspects of cosmology. Then consider the
questions that are asked of them. Which neither you Mr. Keating or David
Palm or Mr. Shea have seen but you assume from your mountain top they are taken
out of context. When did you trust Krause again? Or is it really
just the grudge against Sungenis? We both know.
The real
issue never was whether those interviewed had signed releases but whether they
had been told what the film was intended to argue toward. Nothing in tonight’s
program would lead one to believe that Sungenis and DeLano had been up front
with the interviewees.
Did they in the film misrepresent the views of Mr.
Krause or the others? Im confused. Again they were told the topic
and given questions that they answered. If the PHD’s couldn’t reason to
the topic by the questions given, well…. They might work for… never mind.
(The signed
releases were shown on screen, to prove the interviewees had been paid for
their time. The amounts paid were redacted except in one case, where the
release showed that the interviewee was paid $1,500.)
As in the
earlier edition of “Mic’d Up,” Bob Sungenis said very little. Most of the words
came from DeLano, secondly from Voris.
Probably because if Mr. Sungenis says anything you
will say every last word and even the word “the” is anti-Semitic and related to
holocaust denial syndrome. Mr. DeLano and Sungenis decided, obviously not
to make it about Bob (personality wise) which I think is smart.
The two of
them posited the existence of a concerted effort by what Voris has dubbed “the
Church of Nice” to undercut the film. Three people were named as ringleaders:
Mark Shea, David Palm, and me. My name was mentioned just once in passing;*
more or less the same for David Palm’s. But Mark Shea got considerable
attention.
And justly so because he has a big mouth and
appointed himself the defender of all things Catholic in the blogosphere.
DeLano
showed on screen a tweet that Shea had made on Krauss’s Twitter feed in which
Shea asked Krauss whether he knew that “The Principle” actually was made by
people backing geocentrism.
This is what amazes me, whether or not the movie was
made by geocentrists does not make that big of a difference to me because the
focus is on the Copernican Priniciple and whether or not it is correct by
looking into the most recent evidence on the topic and asking the experts in
such fields their take on the matter.
In DeLano’s
opinion, it was this query from Shea that made Krauss–and later the film’s
narrator Kate Mulgrew–go public against the film.
Considerable
time was spent on promoting the idea that Shea, Palm, and I have been trying to
undercut the film by claiming it promotes anti-Semitism. This was an argument
Voris repeatedly made, but none of us ever alleged anything of the kind about
the film. We never have said or even implied that there is a hint of
anti-Semitism in the film. We presume there isn’t.
What we have
said–repeatedly, over many years–is that Bob Sungenis wrote many dozens of
articles, at his website and elsewhere, against Jews, accusing them of being
responsible for manifold political, social, and cultural evils. For instance,
he argued that Jews were responsible for the destruction of the Twin Towers.
But the question is what does Bob’s views on Jewish
polical issues have to do with the film? Why does it need to be brought
up? Its ultimate and final goal is to discredit the film by discrediting
the maker of it. Come on Karl, be honest you cant stand Bob. He
cant stand you, but really? Who cares about your petty games. Let
the movie stand or fall on its own merits not on preconceived intuitions.
I more than
once noted that Sungenis seemed obsessed with Jews and that he freely and
uncritically reproduced statements that placed Jews in a bad light–going even
so far as to quote a high Nazi official against the Jews.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH… Ok I hear the sob story, but on to
the real issue that its really about the movie… right?
On tonight’s
program Sungenis didn’t refer to any of his tens of thousands of words written
against Jews. He just claimed that in his writings he criticized Catholics
twice as often as he criticized Jews. No doubt a word count of the articles
that appeared at his website would show that this is a grotesque exaggeration.
I was wrong, Karl is obsessed with Bob’s literature
on the Jews. By the way, why does Bob have to apologize for what he said
which is the same as what any Church father would have said? Political
Judism is a real force to be reconned with in his mind. It is a topic he
explores. Mr. Keating thinks its off limits, probably because he doesn’t
want to be put on the ADL’s hit list like Bob or the Remnant… but whatever.
A puzzler:
Voris said that he didn’t know Mark Shea. Strange. They had a public debate at
the Argument of the Month Club in St. Paul last October. Hundreds of people
were in attendance. Has Voris forgotten that encounter already?
Mr. Keating why are you lying?? AGAIN WHY ARE
YOU LYING? It is here that I could devolve right into your line of
thinking and say that since Mr. Keating lies in his facebook posts about
someones character and representations then we cannot trust his companies work
but that would be a logical fallacy, the very thing you again and again commit.
At the end
of the program Sungenis and DeLano announced that “The Principle” would have
its theatrical release on September 9. It will be shown, apparently, at one
theater in one (unnamed) “major city.” The distribution is being handled by
Rocky Mountain Pictures.
Good for them, I hope it draws attention and people
can judge the film for what it is based on its own merits and not on
preconceived notions by someone that has never seen it to begin with.
According to
the website Box Office Mojo, this two-man organization has promoted 24 indie
films. Five of them grossed more than a million dollars, the two best known
being “2016: Obama’s America” ($33.4 million) and “Expelled” ($7.7 million).
But 12 of the films brought in less than $100,000, the least bringing in
$2,000.
And the point is? It’s a film, if people want
to see it good, if not fine. But the implication is that this distributer
is nothing to get excited about. Pray tell how many distributers CA has
ever dealt with?
The two
big-grossers had famous names (Dinesh D’Souza and Ben Stein, respectively),
which no doubt accounted for much of their box-office success. “The Principle”
features no one of comparable fame.
The obvious point to be made is whether or not truth
is dependent on income or popularity? Regardless if the findings are true
or not don’t put the cart before the horse.
Of the 24
films handled by Rocky Mountain Pictures, 15 appeared in 30 or fewer
theaters–hardly enough to cover costs of production.
I know this may sound odd, but a half a year ago
they didn’t have a distributer so having one is pretty good. I don’t
think their goal is to cover costs so much as to get the info out their.
If the goal was to cover costs they could have one week sessions where they
declaire in what dire straights their in and how they need funding desperately
or the show might stop. Wait that’s you show Karl… whoops.
Box Office
Mojo lists the production budget of only two of the 24 films. “The End of the
Spear” brought in $12 million and cost $10 to produce, so it made a profit.
“Atlas Shrugged: Part I” brought in $4.6 million but cost $20 million, so it
had a big loss–surprising, perhaps, for a film based on a best-selling novel.
Again truth is dependent on popularity and
numbers?... this is sooooo petty Karl.
What can one
expect for a documentary based, if it’s based on anything, on the non-seller**
“Galileo Was Wrong”?
It should be painfully obvious at this point to any…
and I MEAN ANY, rational mind that Mr. Keating is just using this opportunity
to go after Bob Sungenis… PETTY KARL KEATING
The bottom
line is that Sungenis and DeLano didn’t announced what, months ago, they
promised to announce: Opening night in multiple cities with a major distributor
handling their film. Rocky Mountain Pictures is a small outfit, and “The
Principle” will open in just one city, presumably at just one theater. It will
have to do very well there to go on the road.
(*I think my name was mentioned just once. The sound was off during a
good portion of the program–there was a glitch at the studio–so it’s possible I
was referred to more than once.)
(“Galileo
Was Wrong” has an Amazon best-sellers rank of 7,874,135 among books.)
I would like to say that I enjoy some of the apologetical materials put forth
by CA, but the more and more this goes on the more and more it is clear to me
that His group and say National Catholic Reporter are not different in
substance, but only in accidents. When the Estates met before the French revolution they began
to splinter off into different directions among themselves. Most notably
what we today call the left and the right or liberals (progressives) and
conservatives. The mistake is to see the two as opposed to one another,
when in truth they are of one mind. As GK Chesterton put it,
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and
Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The
business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
You might say this is over
reacting to the issue but I will give you two key examples:
How many times did
conservative Catholic organizations link to articles on NCReporter because
"well, their put out by John Allen, so they are worth it? Do you
know what you call giving drink to a drunkard? Enabling, and in this case
you are not just supporting John Allen but you support the heretical rag he
writes willingly for, and you, YOU knowingly do so! When Bishop Finn ordered
the rag remove Catholic from its title and was ignored he asked his brother
Bishops to not enable the rag, but since its John Allen (AGAIN WHO KNOWINGLY
WRITES FOR THE HERETICAL RAG!!!!) they went ahead and enabled the dissenters to
maintain their evil propagation!
The second example is how
Mark Shea, a noted conservative, neo-con, w/e... goes out of his way to twist
doctrine to his own ends making a mockery out of the faith. You might
think that I am way off here but I beg you to go to the following link HERE and then tell me im way
off base.
The point is when you pretend
to hold Keating, Shea and others out as the solution (which I dont think they
propose themselves as) you will be seriously disappointed
As for me I'm looking forward
to the Principle. More discussion on things allowed not less
+JMJ+
